1 A000 Pre - Tribulation Rapture doctrine face multiple issues not easily solved
1.1 A005 That day, those days
1.1.1 Are there two classes of elect's? The privileged ones raptured and those not so lucky suffering under the ACBeast's reign?
Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:, but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened. .
Mr 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not, from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. .
Mr 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no, flesh should be saved:, but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. .
Which elect? Are there two types? Those that are ripped away from trouble and those poor souls that needs to face YHWH's wrath and somehow survive through the wrath of satan, the ACBeast and YHWH's wrath?
And these are NOT only Jews that survive the horrible circumstances, people are from every tribe, tongue and nation.
1.1.2 Are there two of "that day"? At the pre - trib feast and post - tribulation?
Mt 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth, of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom. .
Mr 14:25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. .
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. .
1.1.3 Immanence? Believers have very clear indications when YESHUA is about to return
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. .
1.1.4 Referring to Joel, who prophesied about the very end, a massive revival
Ac 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: .
1.1.5 Referring to the judgement
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? .
Lu 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. .
1.1.6 Referring to the reign of the ACBeast's forces surrounding Jerusalem and him sitting in the temple
Mt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! .
Mr 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! .
Lu 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away:, and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back., .
Lu 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. .
Re 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. .
Why would YESHUA give detailed instructions to people (their followers) if they are not to be involved? Are there a separation between believing Jews and believing gentiles, the gentiles plucked away?
Did YESHUA give this to the UNBELIEVING Jews only, IF the believing Jews are not on earth anymore? Where do we get these minute separations - which MUST be addressed if pre-trib is true.
1.1.7 That day means ONE SPECIFIC DAY, not two
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; .
2Ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him, against that day. .
2Ti 1:18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well. .
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love, his appearing. .
Note that pre-trib classify the seven years as when the ACBeast's cage is opened, which starts the Great Tribulation (pre-trib definition) in contrast to YESHUA's definition, that it starts at the MIDDLE of the 7 years.
And THAT DAY clearly and consistently refers to the day and period immediately AFTER YESHUA's return.
Now Paul, from whom they almost exclusively get the pre-trib doctrine, explicitly says THAT DAY only happens to occur AFTER the ACBeast's cage is opened...
Either Paul speaks in two tongues, or someone do not or chooses not to read the rest of what Paul says.
1.1.8 There will be massive visible signs to all - before YESHUA returns - at the end of the Great Tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Mr 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, .
1.1.9 They DAY and HOUR is not known - not the millennium, century, decade or even year
Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. .
Mr 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. .
Lu 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. .
Judgement of ALL is a given. And clearly there are more than one judgement, as the righteous are not judged at white throne judgement.
So, if pre-trib is true, when are those that are raptured judged?
1.2 A010 Deceit About The Day Of YHWH
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; .
As in many instances, the Deceiver tries to turn the focus of the believer off the truth. That causes the influence of the believer to be blunted, in fact it blunts the Word, which is supposed to be a double-edged sword in the heart and hand of the believer. The Day of the Lord would not escape the dragon’s attention and labour. So, one needs to be very careful in listening to ANYONE - including this study - about That Day.
The concept of Pre-tribulation or post-tribulation has a massive influence on the mindset of the believer in the last days. Pre-trib tends to make people uncaring and totally unprepared for sudden and vicious persecution, whilst post-trib believe can make one worried, scared, fearful, and even depressed.
But having knowledge of the truth and faith in the faithfulness of YHWH will have the believer ready and prepared to face anything that the enemy will throw at him - even a sharp guillotine blade.
1.3 A021 The 4 Rapture References
1.3.1 A00 What YESHUA Said
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. .
Note the words AFTER, GATHER, ELECT.
How one interprets these words will determine what is understood by the TIMING of the rapture.
Note the timing hints: After, Then.
Another sticky issue, is there a difference between the raptured church and the elect?, i.e. is the church not elected?
The basis of Biblical hermeneutics is to have the Bible declare the Bible. When one comes to a conclusion based on one verse, one has to go through the rest of the Bible to test the conclusion thoroughly with the rest of scripture that concerns that subject.
Why do pre-tribbers do all these nice things BUT when it comes to the rapture, they IGNORE those scritures that just not fit in with the doctrine?
1.3.2 A10 What Inspired Paul Said
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, .
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. .
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; .
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. .
Parousia Par-oo-see -ah, The Coming, Arrival - the interpretion of these words together with THAT DAY, EXCEPT,REVEALED will give another marker as to when the gathering is to occur.
So the white horse rider MUST appear BEFORE the return of Christ, but then we are already in the 7 last years of the current earth's existence.
The implication is that :4 indicates that it will be during the last 3.5 years, as the ACBeast will only go and sit in the temple in the middle of the 7years.
According to the pre-tribbers then, there must be TWO raptures/gatherings. Or which ad hoc is going to pulled out of the hat for this one?
1.3.3 A50 What Paul Said About The Resurrection Of The Dead - and the ONLY place where Harpazo Rapturo is used in this context
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. .
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. .
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. .
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. .
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep, in Jesus will God bring with him. .
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. .
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: .
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet, the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. .
Note the trumpet here, the shout, the dead in Christ. The return of YESHUA is very conspicious, very visible, very loud with unprecidented events, signs in the heavens and on earth - described as occuring only once (7 years or 0.1% of human existence) in all of time.
The dead in Christ will rise only once - at His coming. and that is a very conspicuous event, that will trigger and number of other events - those will occur only ONCE.
Pre-tribbers, where do you find the second coming, with VERY similar concomitant events yet also very different?
If YESHUA comes as a thief in the night and the first coming is a very loud, very visible,very tangible, very disruptive event - believers, dead and alive - are raptured, there does not remain much of a surprise of His second second coming 7 years later.
Someone who experienced a break-in does prepare - as a minimum, mentally - for the next one.
Utterly amazing that so much hot wind can be generated by people - from the low to the highest of the high about ONE verse. How can intelligent people, with a library of knowledge and experience in their heads and a lifetime of experience fall into this trap? Generating dogmas and teachings utterly based on one word in one verse - and in to process utterly ignore multitudes of other verses that gives the TIME context of this one word? Unbelievable.
1.3.4 Resurrection To An Incorruptable Body And Raptured
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: .
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. .
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. .
Re 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever., .
LAST TRUMP. There is ONE LAST trump. There can be a zillion trumps but only ONE LAST trump. IF this trump is last, what about the seven that is about to sound?
Or is it not more appropriate to say that the LAST angel that sounded is the same as the LAST trumpet?
The most significant verse about the TIMING of the rapture than any other. And the reason why teachers prefer to ignore and discourage investigation in what YESHUA has said about the gathering of His elect.
Listening to several teachers, it always amazes me that even with a library of knowledge ready in their minds, that they choose to ignore obvious conflicting information that falls outside the collection that they have chosen to present.
At best that is dishonest and at worst that is deceitful intended to deceive people.
Another amazing fact is that the pre-tribulaton teaching originated in a after Revelation (1900 years after) revelation in a dream - which kind of revelation they openly and systematically reject. How can someone support something and adamantly defend and teach - when it is based on something that that they adamantly reject and so teach?
And yet another is that they transition from the "church" to the "Jews" very gibly when discussing Revelation. Just because "church" is not mentioned in Revelation after Chapter 4, "saints" are suddenly just "Jews". But that is circular reasoning as that transition is based on the "church" being raptured after Chapter 4.
1.4 A025 YESHUA's Return is Very Conspicuous, visible, noisy, devastating, And It Is One Event Associated With The 7th or LAST Trumpet
1.4.1 A000 YESHUA's Return, There Will Be One Second Time, Not Two Second Times
Da 7:13 I saw, in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came, with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him..
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. .
1.4.2 A024 YESHUA's own words
1.4.2.1 YESHUA commands - hold fast till I come
Re 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till, I come., .
Re 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. .
How is this to be interpreted? Why does YESHUA clearly refers here to ONE return, but there need to be a return of the return, which clearly should be the case if pre-trib is true, to fetch those very few last converted souls (or the 33% of the remaining, converted Jews, as some say).
Interesting that these apparent and serious anomalies are never discussed. Hiding something? Those that I have watched use the pre-trib as a type of mantra - it must be true,and if I repeat it enough, it will stay true - and find all kinds of explanations why the last day Christians are not to shed blood.
1.4.2.2 YESHUA indicates when He will return - to gentile believers in gentile ecclesias in the middle of the land of Gog
Re 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly, come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: .
Re 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein:, for the time is at hand. .
Re 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. .
Re 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;, .
Re 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: .
Note a few very salient points:
These are to GENTILE believers, Jews are not selected out here, even though there might have been some of them in these ecclesias.
The things that are described in Revelation are for ALL believers but very specifically for those living AT THAT TIME, and it describes in vivid detail the end times from the very beginning to the very end. Why go through ALL that gory detail - from the beginning to the end - if the gentile church is ripped from the earth BEFORE this end time?
Furthermore, in Revelations at least, YESHUA gives NO indication of two ends, two returns, two gatherings, one for the priviledged pre-tribber and one for the unfortunate stay behinders which has to go through the horror of being slaughtered for their witness of YESHUA?
1.4.2.3 YESHUA indicates when He will return - to His Jewish disciples
Mt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up, to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake., .
Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. .
Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) .
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. .
Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. .
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. .
YESHUA does not mince His words here. It is very clear from this that believers WILL go through the great tribulation. Yes pre-tribbers, YESHUA has spoken here to Jews. And living at the time Jews WILL go through persecution and destruction of the ACBeast in order to fulfil the Joel and Zechariah prophesies.
But again, His return is apparently focussed on one event!
1.4.2.4 YESHUA is a faithful witness - He does not lie, nor twist things, nor speak with a forked tongue
Re 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, .
Re 3:14 And unto the angel of the ekklesia of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; .
1.4.3 Great Hail, Voices Thunderings Lightnings And An Earthquake, Temple Opened Ark Visible
Re 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever., .
Re 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. .
1.4.4 Jerusalem trampled by the ACBeast BEFORE that day
Lu 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. .
1.4.5 Son Of Man Comes Visibly Like A Lightning Suddenly Unexpectedly Uncontrollably Deadly
Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. .
Lu 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. .
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: .
It does not makes sense that YESHUA returns with a loud sound and resurrect people and then disappear for 7 years! Then ALL people would know that He exists and many will come to their senses. Again, everywhere that the day of YHWH or YESHUA's returns it is describes in one breath, the only logical conclusion is that of one event.
1.4.6 The Coming Of YESHUA The Rapture The Gathering Is an Inseparable Sequence
1.4.6.1 How People Will Be Gathered - Some Stay The Unprepared And Unbelievers, Some Fly The Prepared Believers
Mt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. .
Mt 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. .
Lu 17:30 Even thus, shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. .
Lu 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away:, and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back., .
Lu 17:32 Remember Lot's wife. .
Lu 17:33 Whosoever, shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever, shall lose his life shall preserve it. .
Lu 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. .
Lu 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together;, the one shall be taken, and the other left. .
Lu 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. .
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, .
1.4.6.2 The Last Trump Will Announce Coming Of YESHUA, Called The Day The Annointed, And The Gathering Of The Saved - The Dead Will Be Resurrected And All Faithful Will Meet Him In The Air
1.4.6.2.1 The Basis On Which YESHUA Will Resurrect The Dead And Living Believers Transformed
1Co 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: .
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. .
1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep, in Christ are perished. .
1Co 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. .
1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. .
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. .
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, .
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. .
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. .
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. .
1.4.6.2.2 The Rapture And The Meeting In The Air
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. .
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep, in Jesus will God bring with him. .
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. .
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: .
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet, the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. .
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. .
1.4.6.2.3 When YESHUA Comes Back He Will Sort Out The Unbelieving And Wicked Leaders And Masses Of Lawless And Deceived People
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, .
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: .
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished, with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; .
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. .
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: .
When YESHUA returns, there is NO doubt about the event, lightning, loud noises and trumpets, clouds, every eye will see Him...
1.4.6.2.4 YESHUA Will Appear Very Visibly, Audibly, Accompanied With Great Emotion On Earth, And Separation Of The Wicked And The Righteous
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. .
Mr 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. .
The war between the armies of light and that of darkness is centered on a number of aspects. One of the most important is that of death. The satan is in control of death, and only at the destruction of death can the people be resurrected - all dead faithful and then later all dead dead that will go into second death.
Note that is the LAST trumpet that is blown. The VERY last. A great or MEGA sound of the trumpet.
In all probability the seventh trumpet of Revelation.
1.4.6.3 YESHUA Comes Back After The Tribulation Days
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. .
1.4.7 The Day Of The Lord
1.4.7.1 A Very Noisy And Visual Event The Return Of YESHUA Everyone Anywhere On Earth Will Be Aware Of It
1.4.7.1.1 Fire
Isa 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire: .
Zep 1:18 Neither, their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land. .
Re 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. .
1.4.7.1.2 Flood
Isa 30:28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err. .
1.4.7.1.3 Lightning
Mt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. .
Lu 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. .
1.4.7.1.4 Noise
Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise, of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof..
Jer 25:30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation;, he shall mightily roar, upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. .
Jer 25:31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. .
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. .
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: .
Resurrection occur AT YESHUA's return. And His return is accompanied by many signs. And these signs are ONLY used to describe the Great Tribulation or immediately after.
IMHO, no harmony of scripture can be obtained on this subject when pre-trib is even considered.
1.4.7.1.5 Overwhelming warrior with massive army
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, .
Re 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. .
1.4.7.1.6 Sorrow
Zep 1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. .
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
How does pre-tribbers explain this one?
Why do the peoples of the earth not mourn at coming 2.0 but at coming 2.1? Where is this difference explained? Why is YESHUA at 2.0 (rapture) not threatening (to the wicked) having flaming eyes a sword and face like the sun and a voice like many waters - which He has when John sees Him the first time in Revelation - but at the second second coming they flee and hide, like rats fearing their lives scrambling into the sewers?
Obviously they do not, for this verse does not fit.
1.4.7.1.7 Trouble, Distress, Desolation, Darkness
Zep 1:15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, .
Zep 1:16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers. .
Zep 1:17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung. .
Re 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. .
Again where in the Bible is the difference between the first second coming and the second second coming described?
1.4.7.1.8 Visible To Every Eye
Mt 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter, shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. .
Mr 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. .
Lu 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. .
Ac 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner, as ye have seen him go into heaven. .
Re 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. .
Note the words describing not two returns, but one.
1.4.7.2 A010 Beast's War With YESHUA
Re 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. .
1.4.7.3 Effect Of YESHUA Warrior's Return To Earth Heavens And Earth
1.4.7.3.1 Blood, Fire, Smoke
Ac 2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: .
1.4.7.3.2 Darkness
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. .
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. .
Eze 32:7 And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark;, I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. .
Joe 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: .
Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. .
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. .
Am 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day: .
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Mr 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, .
Lu 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; .
Ac 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: .
Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; .
1.4.7.3.3 Desolation Of Earth
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it..
1.4.7.3.4 Falling Stars
Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree., .
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Re 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. .
1.4.7.3.5 Fiery Flame Of Fire
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. .
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein, shall be burned up. .
Included here, but logically, it fits in only after the last battle after the millenium.
1.4.7.3.6 Massive Movement Of The Heavens
Isa 13:13 Therefore, I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. .
Isa 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree., .
Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath:, for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:, but my salvation shall be forever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. .
Re 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. .
1.4.7.3.7 Massive Shaking Of The Earth
Ps 97:5 The hills melted like wax at the presence, of the LORD, at the presence, of the Lord of the whole earth. .
Isa 13:13 Therefore, I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. .
Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly., .
Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro, like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. .
Isa 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath:, for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:, but my salvation shall be forever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished. .
Hab 3:6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: his ways are everlasting. .
Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; .
Re 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since, men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. .
Re 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. .
1.4.7.3.8 Noise
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein, shall be burned up. .
Re 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since, men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. .
1.4.7.3.9 Sea
Lu 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; .
1.4.7.4 Effect On The Unbelieving Sinner
1.4.7.4.1 Destructive Fierce Wrath
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it..
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: .
Re 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress, of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. .
1.4.7.4.2 Destructive Punishment
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished, with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; .
1.4.7.4.3 Food Ravenous Birds
Re 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; .
Re 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. .
1.4.7.4.4 Humiliation
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: .
1.4.7.4.5 Overwhelming Fear, Greater Than Fear Of Death
Re 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; .
Re 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: .
Re 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? .
1.4.7.4.6 Overwhelming Stressful
Lu 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. .
1.4.7.4.7 Sorrow
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
Re 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. .
1.4.7.4.8 Terrible Agonising Death
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. .
1.4.7.4.9 Fiery Revenge
1.4.7.5 YESHUA The Warrior
Isa 63:1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah?, this that is glorious in his apparel, traveling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. .
Isa 63:2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the wine vat? .
Isa 63:3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people, there was none, with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. .
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, .
Re 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. .
Re 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. .
Re 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress, of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. .
Re 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. .
The day of the lord a rather conspicuous event why would the first one the rapture be secret, when there is a mighty sound? Or is pre trib just a mystical (mythical) concept?
1.4.8 The Seventh Trumpet The Kingdoms Finally Sorted Out
Re 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign forever and ever., .
Re 11:16 And the four and twenty, elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshiped God, .
Re 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. .
Re 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. .
Paul says that YESHUA will return at the LAST trumpet, which can ONLY be the seventh, as there are ONLY seven trumpets that are ever blown (from heaven by an angel).
And finalizing the kingdoms and the kingdom of YHWH - when YESHUA returns is this not what He does with the 200million and other criters that walk on the earth?
1.4.9 There will be signs in the heavens BEFORE the day, and that is at the END of the tribulation
Lu 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; .
Lu 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. .
Ac 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: .
1.4.10 YESHUA Judges At His Return Which Apparently Here Is Just One Event
1.4.10.1 All are appointed to be judged after death
Heb 9:27 And as, it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: .
1.4.10.2 Believers, Saved people will stand before YESHUA's judgement seat
Ro 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or, why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. .
1Jo 4:17 Herein, is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. .
1.4.10.3 The unjust will be judged and sent for punishement
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: .
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. .
1.4.10.4 Those that have done good or bad are to receive what they deserve
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. .
1.4.10.5 When YESHUA come in His glory, and this is the only way that His appearance is described, He will judge the saved and unsaved
Mt 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: .
Mt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: .
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; .
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, .
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. .
The judgement seat of Christ is closely associated with His return. And EVERYONE will be judged. Now if pre-trib is true, then ALL believers (except the living Jews of course) will be snatched from the earth and will have a blisful heavenly time in heaven - and then... at least some, will be found wanting and not be rewarded..
Much more acceptable is the notion that a very short time after being resurrected/translated to be brought before the King.
1.4.11 YESHUA Returns After The The Sun And Moon Is Darkened Which Will Happen After The Tribulation
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
On pre-tribber said that the mid and post tribbers spend their time in what YESHUA said and not what Paul said - and then provide TWO verses to prop up his point.
Sir YESHUA is GOD and does not lie. And He is the creator (through Him was everything created) He is one with the Father, has the Holy Spirit limitless. If any man spoke the truth and the binding truth and the absolute truth then it is YESHUA.
And He says that the SAME signs of day of YHWH will occur when He returns. So His return is at or just after the seventh seal, when the rich and powerful will crawl into sewerage pipes and holes and wherever they can try to escape from the wrath of the Lamb.
1.4.12 YESHUA returns and saves just after or during the signs that occur AFTER the great tribulation
Lu 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. .
Lu 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. .
1.4.13 YESHUA Returns First Then Will People Be Gathered
Mt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. .
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. .
1.4.14 YESHUA returns, judgment is given and He will receive an everlasting kingdom
Da 7:13 I saw, in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came, with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him..
Da 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. .
1.4.15 YESHUA will return and stand on the earth
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before, Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst, thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. .
The more I go over this, the more I come under conviction that pre-tribulation is essentially aimed at the heart of YESHUA, as are all heresies.
Why?
The return of YESHUA is described in many places and in many ways in such a manner, in relation to the signs in the heavens, the reaction of people and the way that He will be seen, the gathering and judgement.
In the pre-tribulation theory, YESHUA returns softly, imperceptably. It is just inconceivable that He will be able to return with the SAME unexpectedness, overwhelming effects on nature, and on people, only seven years later.
When trying to assemble the puzzle of the end time together - even though a PRECISE sequence and timing is impossible - a sequence can be created that makes sense, a logical progression of intensifying events with a final culmination of YESHUA returning and terminating the evil in the world, destroying the enemies of Israel, gathering His elect, resurrecting the dead and judging all.
This cannot be established with a pre-trib model, as many scriptures have to be ignored or ad hocs need to be created to explain them away.
1.5 A110 ACBeast Revelation Is Key To The Timing Of The Day Of YHWH, YESHUA Returns Not Before But After The Son Of Perdition Has Been Revealed
1.5.1 A00 Revelation Of The Man Of Sin
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; .
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. .
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. .
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way. .
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: .
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, .
Re 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. .
The Day of the Lord - which is synonimous to the return of YESHUA. And that day will occur NOT before the anti-Christ is revealed. So IF one has ONE Day of the Lord, AND it oocurs AFTER the event, if CANNOT occur BEFORE the event.
1.5.2 A05 Worship Of The In The Place Of Christ
Re 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. .
1.5.3 A10 Peace Treaty With Israel
Da 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. .
Da 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. .
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. .
1.5.4 A16 Abomination Of Desolation
Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) .
Mr 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand, ) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: .
Key question - who is YESHUA speaking to here? It cannot be the disciples because they never saw that, even during 70AD.
So it must be those that follow YESHUA after them. Those that will be living when the third temple is operational.
So the question will be - is YESHUA only speaking to the messianic Jews - or to all the believers out of every tongue and nation.
1.5.5 A20 Duration Of His Blasphemies
Da 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. .
1.5.6 YESHUA Comes Only After The Man Of Sin Is Revealed And After The Man Of Sin Declares Himself God
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, .
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. .
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; .
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. .
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? .
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. .
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth, will let, until he be taken out of the way. .
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: .
Re 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. .
This declaring himself a god is in the middle of the tribulation, 42 months before the end when YESHUA returns.
Note the "deceive". If the satan cannot convince people that YESHUA has already returned, then he can easily conjure up an immanence and pre-tribulation deception.
Even though all the events cannot be placed on a well thought out timeline, without any "unfitting" issues, there are a number of well-defined milestones or markers that as a minimum, place certain events before and other after
such a marker.
These are
1 Return of Israel to their land
2. Rebuilding of the temple and sacrifices
3. Revelation of the ACBeast another
4. 7 year covenant of the ACBeast and Israel
5. The midpoint in the tribulation when the Great Tribulation kicks off in earnest
6. Massive revival and unprecendented genocide of believers, and 66% of the Jews
7. The immanent destruction of Jerusalem and every living blood-Jew
8. Cataclismic events before and during the return of YESHUA
9. Innihilation of the ACBeast army, and massive die-offs of the wicked
10. Resurrection of the dead and rapture of these with the few of the remaining faithful ecclesia
11. Judgement
12. 1000year near eden.
By implication pre-tribbers define two of day-of-the-Lord, in spite of no indication whatsoever of such possibility. And if one day-of-the-Lord, then THAT day will only occur AFTER the revelation of the ACBeast, which could occur either at the revelation of the rider of the white horse or the man that sits in the temple claiming to be God.
So from that alone the day-of-the-Lord occurs during or after the 7 years. If this is true, then it must be, according to YESHUA in Mat 24, at the end of the 7 years,
1.6 A120 Massive Revival Before The Great Day Of YHWH
Ac 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: .
Ac 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: .
Ac 2:19 And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: .
Ac 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: .
It is clear that in the sequence the signs in the sun and moon refers to ONE single day, not DAYS, in which great cataclisms are going to occur.
BEFORE that day, people are going to be overflowing with the Spirit of YHWH.
1.7 A250 Judgement Of The Heart
Isa 26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place, to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover, her slain. .
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing, before the time, until, the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. .
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. .
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: .
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ; .
1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. .
For any ordinary believer to read this, it is apparent that there is one judgment of believers, and that is when YESHUA returns. And from elsewhere, He returns once.
The odds are stacking up against the church's pre-tribulation rapture.
1.8 A260 Season Vs Imminence Vs Suddeness
1.8.1 Angel Euaggelizo'ed And Announces The Hour Of Judgement Rev, 14
Re 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, .
Re 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. .
1.8.2 Day And Hour Not Known, Not Century, Not Decade, Not Year, Not Month And Not Even Week
Mt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. .
Mt 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered, his house to be broken up. .
Mt 24:44 Therefore, be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. .
Mr 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: .
Lu 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. .
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. .
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child;, and they shall not escape. .
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein, shall be burned up. .
1.8.3 Rather Precise Description Of The Timing Phase But Who Are You, Spoken Of By YESHUA, In This Phrase?
Mt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. .
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. .
Mr 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. .
Mr 13:8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows. .
Lu 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. .
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; .
1.8.4 Suddeness But Note The Unexpected Is For The Unbelievers And Lukewarm Believers Catching Them Unawares
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child;, and they shall not escape. .
Re 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. .
1.8.5 The Only Place Where This Puzzle Piece Fits In Is At The Very End, At The Time Of The Final Bowl And Trumpet And War And The Return Of YESHUA
Mt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: .
Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; .
1.8.6 The Season Will Be Known
1.8.6.1 Other Signs
Lu 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. .
Lu 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. .
1.8.6.2 So The White Horse Rider Will Come, And The Day Of The Lord Not Yet, And Wars Which Is The Beginning But No Return Yet
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. .
1.8.6.3 So Those Believers Alive Will Know Exactly When The Ant Christ Will Declare Himself God And They Will Not Be Raptured As Yet
Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) .
1.8.6.4 The Season Will Be Known Spoken By The Creator. Rather Fixed, Contrary To Immanence
1.8.6.4.1 Carcasses Of The Dead - Last battle near Jerusalem?
Mt 24:28 For wheresoever, the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. .
Lu 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. .
1.8.6.4.2 Days Of Noah Careless, Marrying, Possibly Referring To Hybrids
Lu 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. .
Lu 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. .
Lu 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; .
1.8.6.4.3 Disciples Asked Specifically
Mt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? .
1.8.6.4.4 Disciples Asked When The Things Will Start To Happen, YESHUA Said When The Signs He Gave Them Start To Occur
Lu 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? .
Lu 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. .
1.8.6.4.5 Hunger
Re 6:5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. .
Re 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. .
1.8.6.4.6 In The Signs Can See The Day Of YHWH Approaching
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. .
1.8.6.4.7 Leaving Of The Righteous
Lu 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. .
1.8.6.4.8 Need To Consider Precedants In History To Understand How YESHUA Will Return
Lu 17:30 Even thus, shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. .
1.8.6.4.9 The Signs Of The End As Given By YESHUA Is Like The Indication Given By The Fig Tree Leaves That The Summer Is Near
Mt 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: .
Mt 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. .
1.8.6.4.10 Wars And Rumours Of War
Mt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. .
Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. .
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. .
1.8.6.5 The Second Seal
Lu 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: .
Re 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon, to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. .
1.8.7 Wide awake believers will not be surprised by YESHUA's coming
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. .
Some place great emphasis on the unknown date and time of the rapture - immanence. But nowhere is this "unknown" time associated with the rapture - which is only associated with an instantaneous DURATION - twinkling of and eye.
The "unknowness" is ascribed to the RETURN of YESHUA, which is treated elsewhere.
BUT the rapture is logically associated with the gathering of all believers, from any and everywhere - dead and alive. And the GATHERING is inextricably linked to the RETURN of YESHUA.
Furhter note that EVERYWHERE, the return of YESHUA is marked as an unknown DAY and HOUR, not century, decade, year or even month.
We will know what is the season, YESHUA has said that, and therefore we will have a good idea of the timing BUT NOT the DAY NOR THE HOUR.
I believe that those that are alive will in any case in constant prayer and calling to Him to return, so bad will the circumstances be.
1.9 A280 Israel
1.9.1 Jacob's Trouble
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none, is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it..
Da 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was, a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. .
The motivation for the Pre-trib in the light of this verse does not make sense - even here. Jacob goes through The Trouble - where 2/3s of them are killed, YET THEY ARE SAVED! Yes, when the remaining are on the verge of being exterminated, finally, they turn to YESHUA and His YHWH, YESHUA returns to obliterate the forces of the ACBeast.
1.9.2 The remnant of her seed
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. .
Who is this remnant? Does the gentile converts of Jesus' Jewish disciples, which are, in part, the Western ecclesia, not fit this bill perfectly?
Just asking.
1.9.3 The Woman And The Dragon Rev. 12
Re 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: .
Re 12:2 And she being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. .
Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. .
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. .
Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. .
Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore, days. .
Another sticky issue to be answered. If the gentile church is raptured BEFORE the tribulation and the Jews are prected somewhere near Israel, who is being killed and martyred?
And another, what happens to the Messianic Jews at the church's rapture? If they have to remain, why the difference of treatment? And if they go, who are the saints the Daniel, YESHUA and John are talking about?
The numbers do not add up.
1.10 A290 Wrath
1.10.1 Protection IN wrath
1.10.1.1 Israel
Re 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: .
Re 12:2 And she being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. .
Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. .
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. .
Re 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. .
Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore, days. .
1.10.1.2 The 144 000
Re 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. .
Re 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, .
Re 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till, we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. .
Re 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand, of all the tribes of the children of Israel. .
1.10.1.3 The locusts
Re 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. .
Re 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. .
Re 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. .
Re 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. .
Re 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. .
Re 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. .
1.10.1.4 The two witnesses
Re 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore, days, clothed in sackcloth. .
Re 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. .
Re 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. .
Re 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not, in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will., .
Re 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. .
From the below is clear that YHWH is still in control of Himself and His actions and that of the satan and his actions.
YHWH protects and enables to protect His children in the midst of the worst trouble that the earth saw and ever will see.
Why does He need to take overly comfortable somewhat hedonistic Western believers away before the trouble start to protect them?
Consider Israel. Decimated, with 66% of them inihilated and the rest on the verge of being wiped of the face of the earth - finally - then YESHUA comes back... The war that ensue is so intense and devastating, the worst that the world has seen and will ever see, yet the remainder of Israel will survive, even some of the ACBeasts forces will survive.
Why remove a number of comfortable easy living individuals that barely seen persecution and about never bled a drop of blood for their saviour?
When the communists took over China, the Westerners were accused that they taught the rapture, and now they are undergoing a similar style of persecution that the first ecclesias faced.
And what about North Korea? A perfect prototpe of the ACBeast's reign. Why do these Christians have to suffer unmentionable persecution and not being saved out of it?
1.10.2 Those whose names are written in the book shall be delivered - led to slip away, escape, deliver, save, be delivered
Mr 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no, flesh should be saved:, but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. .
1.10.3 To save someone from trouble does NOT necessarily means to take the OUT of the trouble zone
1.10.3.1 Isa 43
Isa 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee..
1.10.3.2 Da 3
Da 3:11 And whoso, falleth not down, and worshipeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. .
Da 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. .
Da 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spoke, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, came forth of the midst of the fire. .
Da 3:27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counselors, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was a hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them..
1.10.3.3 Da 6
Da 6:22 My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as, before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt. .
Ge 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them;, and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. .
Ge 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within, and without, with pitch. .
Ge 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under, heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. .
Ru 2:12 The LORD recompense thy work, and a full reward be given thee of, the LORD God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust. .
Ps 57:1 To the chief Musician, Al-taschith, Michtam of David, when he fled from, Saul in the cave. Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast. .
Ps 61:4 I will abide in thy tabernacle forever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah. .
Ps 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice. .
Ps 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. .
Heard one preacher say "Enoch was symbol of the church being ripped from the earth, saved FROM the wrath of YHWH and Noah a sign of Israel being saved IN the wrath of YHWH.
Whao.
Where did that jumped from?
Just asking.
This was mentioned elsewhere - but why should Israel as an ethnic group ALONE go through the tribulation with the unripped unbelievers? Why the raw racism rather ethnicism? What about the saved Messianic Jews? Are they ripped from suffering BEFORE?
If a preacher makes a statement like this he has to give solid proof of his reasoning, not mentioning the Bereans that actually went back to the scriptures to test Paul. Listeners to preachers might just do that, and start to ask questions and start to shake the arguments and put it through severe testing. If you can be proven to be very insufficient unanchored, rather stay quiet or present the other side of the argument.
Just saying.
Another thing. To throw in scripture as arguments which is equally true for both pre, mid, pre-wrath, post-trib is not fair, and somewhat deceiptive. Arguments that needs to be propped up by weak ones are just as strong as the weakest... So doing the above indicates in final analysis no argument for the pre-trib!\
Just saying.
1.10.4 We wait for the Son from heaven who YHWH raised from the dead YESHUA who saved us from the wrath to come
1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. .
Which WRATH is referred to here? The seven bowls only? Hardly. Certainly SOME of it is in there, but the Second Death seems to be focus here.
Thus there is wrath, but it is discharged at different times, in different ways and measures, and YHWH is ABLE to save those FROM and even IN His wrath before the final judgement and separation.
The mysterious 144000 is an example. Certainly they are protected BEFORE their mark and certainly after. And the tow witnesses are UNTIL their work is done.
See also how YHWH warn people to flee BEFORE His wrath is executed, Babylon as an example. Judea is also an example, however, whose wrath is applicable here? Satan's or YHWH's.
Certainly YHWH is quite capable to save people IN tribulation as He is to save them FROM tribulation, and YHWH's fierce wrath.
When Noah was on earth, humankind certainly stirred up the ire and wrath of YHWH, so much that He destroyed ALL life bar eight. And He saved Noah IN the judgement of the others.
How many times YHWH's wrath boiled over and He destroyed or allowed to destroy thousands of His chosen people? Did He destroy the faithful? Certainly Joshua and Caleb were.
So was Daniel's friends from one of the mightiest and most glorious kings of all time, IN their straights. So was Daniel, so promise YHWH those whose names are in the Book of Life.
Why MUST YHWH save those that are faithful to Him from trouble?
We have YESHUA's promise that the hairs of our head are numbered. So were the hairs of those that light up Nero's garden...
1.11 A350 Martyrdom
1.11.1 Anti Christ Made War With The Faithful Believers And Prevailed Gain Ascendancy Through Strength Or Superiority
Da 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;.
Da 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. .
Da 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practice, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. .
1.11.2 Faithful Believers Will Experience Tribulation
Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. .
Ps 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. .
Isa 1:25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: .
Isa 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. .
Jer 9:7 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will melt them, and try them; for how shall I do for, the daughter of my people? .
Da 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. .
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. .
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer, unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. .
Mt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. .
Mt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up, to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake., .
Mt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! .
Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. .
Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. .
Mr 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. .
Mr 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not, from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. .
Mr 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no, flesh should be saved:, but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. .
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. .
Ac 16:23 And when they had laid many stripes upon them, they cast them into prison, charging the jailer to keep them safely: .
Ac 16:24 Who, having received such a charge, thrust them into the inner prison, and made their feet fast, in the stocks. .
Ro 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; .
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. .
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. .
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; .
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. .
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. .
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: .
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange, concerning the fiery trial which(, ) is to try, you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: .
Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. .
Re 3:19 As many as, I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. .
Re 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. .
Every heresy has some element of blunting or ignoring the person or words of YESHUA. Who is YESHUA talking about in these verses? Certainly not the disciples? Except if the preterist doctrine is true - which can easily be shown false.
So, it MUST be those that became believers after and because of the work of the disciples. Which believers? Only the handful of Messianic Jews?
Can we as goyim believers only take out from scripture that which is palatable and comfortable and leave the horrible persecution to the Jews? Is that not an insult the many believing goyim who died during the Roman persecution up to Constantine? The persecution of the believers under the popes are rarely mentioned, but these were just as or even surpassing the pernicious evil of the Roman church. Their techniques were much more sophisticated and inflicted more pain for longer.
1.11.3 Killed Many Prophets And Faithful Believers And Their Blood Was In The Whore
Re 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: .
Re 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? .
Re 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until, their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. .
Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; .
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. .
Re 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. .
Re 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. .
Thought about that for a while. 14 million Jews, 2/3 of them killed during the Great Tribulation. Assuming ALL were converted (not true, but just for the argument), then we have 9 million. The is 108 days of seconds.Take 8 hours per day. 324 days. If we assume that someone can count once per second it will take about a year for ONE person to count that many.
But the mega multitude that NO-ONE could count? Where do they come from? They are NOT only Jews, they are from every tribe, tongue and nation. How did they get converted with ALL the (non-)Jewish believers ripped away BEFORE that terrible time?
1.11.4 Overcame And Worn Out And Killed
Da 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. .
1.11.5 Rejected Persecuted, Hated
Mt 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up, to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; .
Mt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. .
Mt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: .
Mt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: .
Mr 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up, to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. .
Mr 13:12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death., .
Mr 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:, but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. .
Lu 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake., .
Lu 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away:, and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back., .
Lu 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake., .
Lu 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake., .
Lu 21:21 Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto., .
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love, his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore, the world hateth you. .
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. .
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. .
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. .
1Jo 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you. .
1.11.6 The Killed During The Great Tribulation
Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; .
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. .
Note:
1. Innumerable - to count from 1 to 1 000 000 takes 11.5 days of seconds, this one man, counting at 1 per second can complete 1million in 33 days, spending only 8 hrs per day. It is not feasible that these innumerable people are jews, about 4 million.
2. Never are the jews or Israel called nations and kindreds and people and tongues. These are people from all over the earth that lived during the great tribulation and were killed for their faith.
1.11.7 The Tribulation Will Serve As A Furnace That Obliterates Impurities
Da 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none, of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. .
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: .
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer, unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. .
Mal 3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years. .
Ro 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; .
1.11.8 Why suffering and tribulation is part and parcel of YHWH's plan to save and assemble His people
1.11.8.1 Bringing man to his senses
Job 33:19 He is chastened also with pain upon his bed, and the multitude of his bones with strong pain:.
Job 34:31 Surely it is meet to be said unto God, I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more:.
Ps 119:67 Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word. .
Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction, unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly, of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. .
1.11.8.2 False prophets are tests from YHWH - beware.
1.11.8.2.1 The prophet, family member, town
De 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth, thee a sign or a wonder, .
De 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;.
De 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; .
De 13:7 Namely, of the gods, of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end, of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; .
De 13:12 If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying, .
De 13:13 Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among, you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; .
1.11.8.2.2 What the faithful should do or not do
1.11.8.2.2.1 A close, Clean walk with YHWH
De 13:17 And there shall cleave naught, of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness, of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; .
De 13:18 When thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God. .
1.11.8.2.2.2 The family member, close friend
De 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity, him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal, him:.
De 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill, him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. .
De 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from, the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land, of Egypt, from the house, of bondage. .
1.11.8.2.2.3 The prophet
De 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. .
De 13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out, of the land, of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house, of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away, from the midst, of thee..
1.11.8.2.2.4 The town
De 13:14 Then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;.
De 13:15 Thou shalt surely smite, the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. .
De 13:16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD thy God: and it shall be a heap forever; it shall not be built again. .
1.11.8.2.2.5 Why
De 13:11 And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you..
1.11.8.2.3 YHWH's role
De 13:17 And there shall cleave naught, of the cursed thing to thine hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness, of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; .
Presuming on YHWH and the Lamb is very dangerous. YHWH is not only good and merciful and longsuffering and forgiving.
YHWH is also a holy and righteous and fair judge and does not tolerate serious misbehaviours, which includes fornication and false gods.
When judging and executing His judgement He is a devouring fire that destroys His enemies. Therefore. be careful what you allow to be put on and into your body.
1.11.8.3 Growth in maturity
Da 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none, of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. .
2Co 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding, and eternal weight of glory; .
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. .
Heb 12:11 Now no, chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby., .
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; .
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. .
Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. .
Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy. .
1Pe 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid, of their terror, neither be troubled; .
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the Spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part, he is evil spoken of, but on your part, he is glorified. .
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. .
1.11.8.4 Proving of faith and obedience
Ge 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am..
Ge 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. .
Ex 20:20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not. .
De 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or not. .
De 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. .
2Ch 32:31 Howbeit in the business of the ambassadors of the princes of Babylon, who sent unto him to inquire of the wonder that was done in the land, God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart. .
Ps 7:9 Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins. .
Ps 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. .
Ps 17:3 Thou hast proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night; thou hast tried me, and shalt find nothing; I am purposed that my mouth shall not transgress. .
Lu 6:48 He is like a man which built a house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. .
Ro 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. .
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, .
Heb 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: .
1.11.8.5 Refinement
Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold. .
Ps 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. .
Isa 1:25 And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin: .
Isa 48:10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. .
Jer 9:7 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will melt them, and try them; for how shall I do for, the daughter of my people? .
Eze 22:20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you..
Eze 22:22 As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the LORD have poured out my fury upon you..
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. .
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: .
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer, unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. .
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. .
1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: .
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange, concerning the fiery trial which(, ) is to try, you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: .
1.11.8.6 Suffering YHWH's will
De 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth, out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day. .
1Ki 8:51 For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest forth out of Egypt, from the midst, of the furnace of iron: .
Ps 73:10 Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them..
Ps 80:5 Thou feedest them with the bread of tears; and givest them tears to drink in great measure. .
Ps 102:9 For I have eaten ashes like bread, and mingled my drink with weeping, .
Jer 11:4 Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth, out of the land, of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God: .
Mt 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. .
Mt 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt..
Joh 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? .
1.11.8.7 To experience YHWH's protection
1.11.8.7.1 Ge 19
Ge 19:16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without, the city. .
1.11.8.7.2 1Sa 17
1Sa 17:37 David said moreover, The LORD that delivered me out of the paw, of the lion, and out of the paw, of the bear, he will deliver me out of the hand, of this Philistine. And Saul said unto David, Go, and the LORD be with thee..
1.11.8.7.3 Ps 30
Ps 30:5 For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favor is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning. .
1.11.8.7.4 Ps 34
Ps 34:19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all., .
Ps 34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them, is broken. .
1.11.8.7.5 Ps 41
Ps 41:3 The LORD will strengthen him upon the bed of languishing: thou wilt make all his bed in his sickness. .
1.11.8.7.6 Ps 50
Ps 50:15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me..
1.11.8.7.7 Ps 91
Ps 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare, of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence., .
Ps 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. .
Ps 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror, by night; nor for the arrow, that flieth by day; .
Ps 91:6 Nor for the pestilence, that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction, that wasteth at noonday. .
Ps 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand;, but it shall not come nigh, thee..
Ps 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. .
Ps 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; .
Ps 91:10 There shall no evil befall, thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. .
Ps 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. .
Ps 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. .
Ps 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet .
Ps 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. .
Ps 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honor him..
1.11.8.7.8 Ps 138
Ps 138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, thou wilt revive me: thou shalt stretch forth thine hand against the wrath of mine enemies, and thy right hand shall save me..
1.11.8.7.9 Jon 1
Jon 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. .
1.11.8.7.10 Ac 5
Ac 5:19 But the angel of the Lord by night opened the prison doors, and brought them forth, and said, .
1.11.8.7.11 Ac 12
Ac 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly., And his chains fell off from his hands. .
1.11.8.7.12 Ac 16
Ac 16:26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. .
1.11.8.7.13 Ac 27
Ac 27:44 And the rest, some on boards, and some on broken pieces of the ship. And so it came to pass, that they escaped all safe, to land. .
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever, shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. .
1.11.8.8 To inherit the promises
Ps 66:11 Thou broughtest us into the net; thou laidst affliction upon our loins. .
Ps 66:12 Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water: but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place..
Ps 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation. .
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. .
Re 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be, any more pain: for the former things are passed away. .
1.11.8.9 YHWH's love
De 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee..
Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: .
Ps 94:12 Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;, .
Pr 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction: .
Pr 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. .
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:, and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. .
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. .
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: .
Re 3:19 As many as, I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. .
1.11.9 Will Be Subject Of War, Being Overcame
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. .
Re 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. .
Lu 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. .
1.12 A399 Comfort 21st Century Definition Or More Spiritual And Heart
1.12.1 Everything Of The End Times Is Planned And YHWH's Control And It Will Have An End, A Frigtening But Glorious End
Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. .
Lu 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. .
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. .
1Co 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. .
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. .
1.12.2 Promises To The Enduring Faithful
1.12.2.1 After Being Faithful Even If It Leads To Death, There Is A Crown Of Life Waiting
Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. .
1.12.2.2 Already Appointed Not To Experience The Wrath At The Return Nor The Wrath And The Second Death
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain, salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, .
1.12.2.3 By Keeping The Word Of YESHUA's Patience And Thereby Kept From The Severe Testing
Re 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. .
1.12.2.4 Crown Awaiting
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love, his appearing. .
1.12.2.5 Encouraged Not To Fear Anything That Satan Are To Throw At Us. When We Are Faithful Into Death, We Receive A Crown Of Life That Cannot Be Taken Away
Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. .
1.12.2.6 Encouragement Of Not Totally Overcame, Will Be Strong, Will Have Revival, Have A Powerful Witness
1.12.2.6.1 Outpouring Of The Spirit
Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: .
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. .
Joe 2:30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. .
Ac 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; .
Ac 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: .
Ac 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: .
1.12.2.6.2 Turn Many To Righteousness
Da 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness, as the stars forever and ever. .
1.12.2.6.3 Will Be Strong
Da 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits..
1.12.2.6.4 Will Overcome The Beast And The Image And Will Be Execceedingly Abundantly Rewarded
Re 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. .
Re 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. .
Re 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. .
Re 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither, had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. .
Re 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. .
1.12.2.6.5 Will Suffer, But Will Be Cleansed
Da 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed. .
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. .
Re 7:15 Therefore, are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. .
Re 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither, shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. .
Re 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. .
1.12.2.7 In times of overwhelming life threatening danger YHWH is reliable and able help
Ps 121:1 A Song of degrees. I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence, cometh my help. .
Ps 121:2 My help cometh from, the LORD, which made heaven and earth. .
Ps 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep. .
1.12.2.8 Listening to wisdom will dwell safely
Pr 1:33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear, of evil. .
Pr 3:24 When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet. .
1.12.2.9 Promise Of Protection
Lu 21:18 But there shall not a hair of your head perish. .
1.12.2.10 Protection And Strength During Tribulation
Isa 26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. .
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world, men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him..
Re 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. .
1.12.2.11 Satan Is Due For Destruction. He Is Dangerous, And Deadly, Yet We Are Somewhat Shielded From Him, And He Is Due For Judgement And Removal
Ro 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly., The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen. .
1.12.2.12 Shorter Days
Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:, but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened. .
1.12.2.13 The Day Of The Lord Will Come As A Thief For Those In Darkness Not Those In The Light. They Know The Season, Not The Precise Day Though
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. .
1.12.2.14 Those that are saved by YHWH and will be protected in the most dangerous and adverse conditions
Isa 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee..
1.12.2.15 We Are Already Delivered From The Wrath To Come The Second Death
1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. .
1.12.2.16 We Are To Receive And Everlasting Unmovable Unchallenged Kingdom Where Peace Reigns
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby, we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: .
1.12.2.17 Will Appear With YESHUA In Glory
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory. .
1.12.2.18 YESHUA Is Coming Back And We Are Looking For Out For Him In Hope And Full Confidence
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ; .
1.12.2.19 YESHUA Is Coming Back To Fetch Us To Be With Him
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. .
1Th 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. .
1.12.2.20 YESHUA Is With Us, His Faithful Followers, Always
Mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. .
Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot, come; so now I say to you. .
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. .
1.12.2.21 YESHUA prays His Father to guard those that YHWH gave Him that they may be one
Joh 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are..
1.12.2.22 YESHUA promises protection in minutest detail for those that are His faithful followers
Lu 21:18 But there shall not a hair of your head perish. .
1.12.2.23 YHWH delivers him that understands and considers the poor and weak and low YHWH delivers him in time of evil
Ps 41:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. Blessed is he that considereth, the poor: the LORD will deliver him in time of trouble. .
Ps 41:2 The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. .
1.12.2.24 YHWH gave us new birth and hope and a an inheritence kept by His power though faith
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. .
1.12.2.25 YHWH guards the bones of those that are righteous
Ps 34:20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them, is broken. .
1.12.2.26 YHWH guards YESHUA's followers from falling
Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, .
1.12.2.27 YHWH is a safe refuge for those that are exceptionally close to Him, protecting him from fierce demons and fallen angels
Ps 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. .
Ps 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. .
Ps 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. .
Ps 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror, by night; nor for the arrow, that flieth by day; .
1.12.2.28 YHWH is faithful He guards His children from the evil
2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall establish you, and keep you from evil. .
1.12.2.29 YHWH is like a rock to us, where to we can escape, find safety
De 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. .
De 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges. .
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. .
2Sa 22:2 And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; .
2Sa 22:47 The LORD liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation. .
Ps 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. .
Ps 18:31 For who is God save, the LORD? or who is a rock save our God? .
Ps 28:1 A Psalm of David. Unto thee will I cry, O LORD my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like, them that go down into the pit. .
Ps 62:2 He only is my rock and my salvation; he is my defense; I shall not be greatly moved. .
Ps 94:22 But the LORD is my defense; and my God is the rock of my refuge. .
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defense shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure. .
1.12.2.30 YHWH is my helper, what can man do to me
Heb 13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. .
1.12.2.31 YHWH watches intendly for those whose hearts are fully committed and dedicated to Him to be strong for them
2Ch 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein, thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth, thou shalt have wars. .
1.12.2.32 YHWH will come around to fulfil His promises - when He has sent His people through the furnace and sifted to unworthy out
Zec 2:5 For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her..
1.12.2.33 YHWH's angel is around those that fear Him to snatch them away from trouble
Ps 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them..
1.12.2.34 YHWH's peace guards the hearts and minds of YESHUA's faithful followers
Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. .
1.12.3 Requirements
1.12.3.1 Being Aware We Receive A Kingdom That Cannot Be Moved, Serve YHWH In Reverance And Fear
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby, we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: .
1.12.3.2 Comfort Each Other
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. .
1Th 5:11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. .
1.12.3.3 Encouraged Not To Fear Anything That Satan Are To Throw At Us. When We Are Faithful Into Death, We Receive A Crown Of Life That Cannot Be Taken Away
Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. .
1.12.3.4 Faithful followers of YESHUA needs not be ashamed, He is able to watch and keep the things committed to Him
2Ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him, against that day. .
1.12.3.5 Faithful Into And Beyond Death
Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days; be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. .
1.12.3.6 Fearing YHWH and finding great pleasure in His commandments has very great benefits
Ps 112:1 Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments. .
Ps 112:7 He shall not be afraid of evil tidings:, his heart is fixed, trusting in the LORD. .
1.12.3.7 Having YHWH as strength
Ex 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him a habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him..
2Sa 22:33 God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect. .
Ps 28:8 The LORD is their strength, and he is the saving strength of his anointed. .
Ps 46:1 To the chief Musician for the sons of Korah, A Song upon Alamoth. God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. .
Ps 73:26 My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion forever. .
Ps 81:1 To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of Asaph. Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob. .
Ps 84:5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them..
Ps 89:21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him..
1.12.3.8 Know Being Kings And Priests
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. .
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar, people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light: .
Re 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion forever and ever., Amen. .
Re 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. .
Re 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. .
1.12.3.9 Must Be Faithful And Enduring To The End
Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. .
1.12.3.10 Must Be Patient And Keep Faith
Re 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. .
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. .
1.12.3.11 Must Be Watchful And Prayerful
Lu 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. .
1.12.3.12 Not Being Alarmed, Fearful About The Day Of The Lord
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. .
1.12.3.13 Overcommer
Re 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the ekklesiaes; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. .
Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the ekklesiaes; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. .
Re 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the ekklesiaes; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden, manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it..
Re 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: .
Re 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. .
Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. .
Re 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. .
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. .
Re 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. .
1.12.3.14 Overcommer By The Blood And Not Loving Life Even Into Death
Re 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. .
1.12.3.15 Patient
Jas 5:8 Be ye also patient;, establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. .
1.12.3.16 Remember, Hold Fast, Repent. If Not Watch, Then You Will Be Surprised By YESHUA's Return
Re 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. .
1.12.3.17 Righteous
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: .
Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. .
1.12.3.18 Sober
1Th 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for a helmet, the hope of salvation. .
1.12.3.19 Trusting in YHWH makes man unmovable
Ps 125:1 A Song of degrees. They that trust in the LORD shall be as mount Zion, which cannot be removed, but abideth forever. .
Ps 125:2 As the mountains are round about Jerusalem, so the LORD is round about his people from henceforth, even forever., .
Ps 144:2 My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me..
Na 1:7 The LORD is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him..
1.12.3.20 Waiting And Expecting YESHUA's Return
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ; .
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein, dwelleth righteousness. .
1.12.3.21 YESHUA Is Coming Back And We Are Looking For Out For Him In Hope And Full Confidence
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ; .
1.12.3.22 Overcommer
Note that there is the wrath of the seven bowls - then there is the wrath of the second death. And the two can by no means compared, not is scope, nor in magnitude, nor in time.
From which wrath are faithful believers saved? Obviously the second. But can YHWH not, like He did IN the greatest cataclism with unimaginable forces and upheavels since creation - and after - by protecting Noah in a matchbox in a vast churning sea, protect us during His seven bowls of wrath?
Just asking.
Would it not be a total insult to the faithful that suffered the most horrific deaths throughout history- just for their faith- as we, Westeners, overfed, overindulged, overcomforted being ripped out of the coming trouble? What on earth makes us so special that we are effectively placed on the same level as Enoch and Elijah?
Just asking.
Heard some preacher "you do not want to be on earth when YESHUA comes back". Yes, I fully agree. The earth would be in an unimaginable mess. But whether Christians want to be ripped from the earth BEFORE that terrible time is not the choice of man. Why asking it?
Just asking?
1.13 A900 Ecclesia vs Saints
Re 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. .
Re 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. .
A possible explanation why "church" is not mentioned in Revelation after Chapter 4, is that their will be NO church left standing. And the possibility of a ecclesia meeting in secret in houses are also in doubt.
Two reasons:
1. Families will be torn apart - as the current covid vaccine is expected to do. Family member will hate and spy on and betray one another, so this family unity will be torn apart, preventing even secret meetings.
2. Expect the ACBeast to have a very thorough tracking system covering every person and every millimeter all over the earth. Even now it will be easy to discover groups.. cell phones, CCTVs, car trackers. IA to name a few.
Another explanation is that YESHUA decided to call believers holy or saints after chapter 4.
But that aside, from the verses below, it is clear that there ARE saints on the earth DURING the Great Tribulation. Are they then appointed to YHWH's wrath, while the blue-blooded, hedonistic, over comforted Western church is saved from it?
Whose prayers are offered? Those in heaven worships YHWH, they do not pray to Him.
The end times are a mystery. Much of it is shrouded in symbolic language that either may mean more than one thing, or is very difficult to decipher. Revelation is notorious for leaving out sequencing words like, then, before, after. It is like a set of short videos, with little relation to each other, except the sequencial numbering, of one two three.
There is also not a precise timeline that can be drawn for many of the events that will happen during these traumatic years. Few events times are fixed, as the ACBeast taking seat in the temple.
BUT, somehow, these events have a logical sequence in the sense that one has to, somewhere on a timeline, occur before another event. And this sequence, with problems and uncertainties, must somehow fit like a puzzle that forms a coherent picture.
Trying fit the rapture in this sequence BEFORE the seven years causes so much confusion and conflict and generate so many difficult to answer questions, the best is to say, it is somewhere in the seven years, apparently AFTER the Great Tribulation, starting at the midpoint.
It may be before the bowls, but IMHO, the best fit is somewhere towards the very end of the seven years.
1.14 A999 Revelation Issues with Pre - Trib
1.14.1 Apparent anomalies in promises
Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the ekklesiaes; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. .
Re 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. .
Re 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until, their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. .
Re 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. .
Re 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow, them. .
Problem with some of the pre-trib motivations is that with a slight change in angle, those specific scriptures can be applied to the tribulation as well.
Comfort may mean support and encouragement to someone in the most horrid of circumstances.So can guard mean "Noah was guarded from a direct hit of YHWH's wrath".
Then it is clear that YHWH has pre-determined how many believers will die, and how they will die during the great tribulation. And no-where are Jews implicated - in Revelation at least.
1.14.2 Humans in heaven
1.14.2.1 A010 The souls of them that are killed during the Great Tribulation
Re 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: .
Re 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? .
Re 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until, their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. .
Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; .
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. .
Re 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. .
1.14.2.2 A020 A Great multitude no man could number
Re 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; .
Re 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. .
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?.
Re 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white, in the blood of the Lamb. .
Re 7:15 Therefore, are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. .
Re 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither, shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. .
Re 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. .
1.14.2.3 A030 Victors over the beast
Re 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. .
Re 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. .
Re 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. .
1.14.2.4 A040 People in heaven
1.14.2.4.1 A Great multitude
Re 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. .
Re 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honor to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready., .
1.14.2.4.2 Much people in heaven
Re 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honor, and power, unto the Lord our God: .
From Revelation we do not see many people in heaven. We know Enoch and Elijah (Moses?) are there, and then the souls of the martyrs are under the altar...
So these people who, from the context, are the martyrs slaughtered DURING the tribulation. And their ranks are still to be filled.
Where are pre-tribbers? Certainly they HAVE to be there, somewhere? In their new bodies. The sum total of all the resurrected faithful and translated living believers, must reach in the region of tens if not hundreds (thousands) of millions of glorified humans.
Where are they? They are not in Rev 6, nor 7 and 15.
The first connection between ALL believers and those multitude in heaven is found in Rev 19.
Note that the souls of the Great Tribulation martyrs are given white robes, and eventually, from the context, it is this group that stand before the throne - from ALL nations and kindreds and tongues.
For a little math excursion - IF those killed during the Great-Trib are only Jews, it is conceivable that someone counting one every second, for 24 hours a day, then the person can number 4 000 000 (30% of Jews) in 50 days, not impossible for a resurrected one. Thus the "no man can number" must lie in the 10s to 100s or 1000s of millions - too many for Jews.
1.14.3 The everlasting gospel
Re 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, .
Assumably, the gospel would assumably be useless to those that have taken the mark according to third angel following the first angel who is announcing the gospel to every ethnic group, kindred and languages and peoples
Assuming one or more members of these multi-ethnic groups, and assuming them not Jews, are being caught up by the ACBeast's system and become more of the dead statistics. What happens to these souls?
Go down to Abraham's bosom? - but assuming Abraham has been raptured they will be mighty alone. Or are they instantly translated and snatched off to heaven? Where is this scenario described?
Just asking.
1.14.4 Things told, seen, experienced must be written to the gentile ecclesias
Re 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;, .
1.14.5 Those that die before YESHUA returns
Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. .
Re 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; and their works do follow, them. .
Note the position of these verses. It appears right after Chap 13 which describes beasts and before the return of YESHUA who then treads the winepress. It is in the terrible and horrible time of persecution and death and blood, after the midpoint of the tribulation. After the fall of Babylon which is towards the end of the great tribulation, if the sequence in which things were written mean any sequential relationship.
But here they that dies in YHWH is called blessed, and their works follow them. Sounds to be just what would happen to any normal faithful to death gentile or Jewish Christian during the great tribulation.
One of the questions that needs to be asked and answered is - why did Revelation target gentile believers if only Jews are left behind? Why are these minute descriptions given to people that will never experience the suferring and horror of the tribulation? Why was it not targeting the Jews that are left behind?
Just asking.
Why I reject the pre-trib
1. The arguments are weak, based on human logic and taking only a handful, if that, verses referring to the end in consideration. This is not good hermeneutics, nor honest.
2. Great emphasis is placed on the comfort of people, and the suffering and death of the remaining (Jewish) believers are ignored. This is tantamount to racism and anti-Semitism.
3. There at most a few scripture references used, and those that are potentially against the position is ignored.
4. They assume that the ONLY way that YHWH will protect (some) believers to the end is by snatching them away, ignoring that Noah, Jonah, Daniel and his friends, David and many more were protected and saved when IN THE MIDST of trouble.
5. They assume that the ecclesia is not mentioned after Rev 4 that this is because of the rapture and give NO Bible reference for that. However, there are numerous references to saints. Furhter study found lots of humans in heaven are those that went through the maul of the ACBeast. Only towards the very end of Revelation there are places which MAY refer to ALL saved humans at that point.
5. They do not address the multitude from every tribe and nation that comes out of the great tribulation.
6. YESHUA's teachings on timing of the ACBeast is ignored
7. Paul's teaching on the timing of the ACBeast is ignored.
8. They ignore the LAST trumpet, and the only logical placement of the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet and seventh bowl which is at the END of the tribulation, when YESHUA comes back.
9. They have absolutely NO proof whatsoever that YESHUA returns twice as ALL references to that event are pointing to ONE event.
10. Proponents use sometimes arguments that can be used for any of the rips. Note there IS a rip. No Question about that. We need to find the WHEN and marry it to ALL scripture that refers to that one event where everyone in the world alive and dead will be changed forever, irreversably.
Throughout this study it will be shown that a timeline with milestones, can be drawn up, and, although a mystery reflected from a mirror, gives at least some definition of when certain pivotal events occur. Moving the rapture to pre-tribulation raises insurmountable problems IMHO and eventually will have the proponent of it in a tangled mess trying to find all ad-hocs and explaining aways for the many resultant inconsistencies.
The more I study scripture and the more I listen to the proponents of pre-trib, more and more arguments are coming to the fore. And these MUST be addressed. Using the pre-trib as a mantra - hoping that it will somehow be proven true one day - is not sufficient. Grabbing at straws also not.
When I read the 4th and 3rd last verses of Revelation, these became suddenly, to me at least, a burning issue. If the arguments in this study in ANY way add or subtract from the words in Revelation, I am in big, serious trouble standing a chance to loose my salvation (OSAS there you go) or being plagued into eternity.
But so is EVERY Bible scholar responsible to view things with wide open eyes and. if needed, treat old cherished concepts and believes as trash (skubalon - for those that know what that means).